TSA Forum What Form Of Intoxification Is Harder To Deal With?

  17th November 2015 at 9:50am in Door Supervisor

What Form Of Intoxification Is Harder To Deal With?

When working the doors what form of intoxication, drink or drugs, do you find more difficult to deal with?

Replies (8)

  17th November 2015 at 9:51am

As a former military policeman used to working with the civilian police, their resources at the end of the night would be focused on the drinking clubs as this was where the vast majority of trouble was. The more drug focussed clubs would be left alone as there was rarely any trouble at them.

  24th November 2015 at 8:42pm

I think that drink and drugs are mixed at clubs.I would say at least 50% of club goers indulge in cocaine and legal highs and thats just at the mainstream venues.

You might get a rave in the area,but that has been in the news recently with a few riots,last seen in the 90's.

I think the whole thing is getting out of control.Its embarrassing to watch professional people on a night out,become totally messed up.

  24th November 2015 at 8:58pm

I certainly don't agree.I was doing door work in Dalston and Brixton in London 1997-2002 at raves,then close protection at festivals.I must say that some of them were well organised and went off without problems and had a good relationship with the Police.

Those days have gone to be honest.Clubs today promote a dire night of entertainment.No wonder people have to take drugs to enjoy it?

There are some good venues out there.If people want to take drugs,fine.Do it at home,then leave it at home.But don't visit a club and do a grubby snort in the toilets,its pathetic really.

If people think thats ok,then fine.Organize your own party.

  25th November 2015 at 2:38pm

I worked on the doors of clubs on Balkan - experience tells me that certain types of music attract a certain clientele - a different clientele react differently to stimulants.
Different substances act differently - people under the influence of XTC on the techno party are harmless and Our attention is focused on helping in case of dehydration..
At rock concerts - we are faced with a greater choice of drugs and alcohol - mainly -people are more aggressive under the influence of alcohol.
worst place are "turbo folk" clubs with ethnic folk music - mainly drugs - cocaine and speed and they are combined with alcohol. People are very aggressive and often leads to many conflict - the impact of music and personal primitivism.
Mostly - more often we encounter in life with a person under the influence of alcohol because it is very easily accessible and woman are bigger problem then man.
The risk of a person under the influence of cocaine is unlimited - has no pain, has narrowed - hardly any - sense of danger and you need to expect anything from him.
Often - to protect themselves - to such persons bouncers need break arms and legs to stop them ...may sound cruel - but at that point - this is the only way out...

  29th November 2015 at 1:17pm

I would say the combination of alcohol and drugs is the hardest intoxicant to deal with, especially cocain. As an ex police officer I have a vast amount of experience in dealing with this scenario. I know you have all alluded to 'clubs' but don't rule out your local pubs in the middle of housing estates where this is also prevalent. There is a term which escapes me at present which describes the state of someone high  on coke and alcohol. In effect the chemical reaction in the body induced by coke counter acts the alcohol almost giving the person the feeling that they are in fact not drunk thus allowing them to carry on consuming yet more alcohol , you can see where this is going. So, when these people then become engaged in violence or aggressive behaviour you have a lot on your plate to deal with and quite often you have no choice but to increase or escalate the level of force required in order to resolve the issue. Ah it's called coecethaline. Not sure of the spelling though. 

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  30th November 2015 at 11:55am

Spot on Fletch.You are correct that when someone is drinking and doing coke,they usually drink enough to fell an elephant.

Ive personally stopped doing door work.I really had enough of the majority of clubs and pubs for that matter.Some pubs are a carbon copy of the 'Shameless' programme,but far worse.As for some of the door staff,they were complicit in the local drug trade here in Norwich including other grubby criminal activities.

I only hope that 'Captagon/Fenilliyme',that is being widely used in Syria/Iraq and Saudi,doesn't make an appearance here.If it does then we are going to have some extremely worrying problems on our hands.

  1st December 2015 at 8:15pm

Richard can you tell us more about Captagon?

  2nd December 2015 at 5:28pm

Now am intrigued Richard .   

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