TSA Forum Which Maritime Courses Are Actually Essential?

  17th November 2015 at 9:52am in Maritime Security

Which Maritime Courses Are Actually Essential?

What courses are really necessary in order to conduct the maritime security role? Which have you trained in that have been no, or of limited, use?

Replies (14)

  30th November 2015 at 8:26pm

The only ones I would consider essential are the STCW safety and security courses. The others have spawned off the back of the industry and most obvious are the ones which have plundered Lads Elcas. These lads are now unable to access valued training and languishing in an industry paying less than domestic cleaners.

  1st December 2015 at 12:02am

STCW + SSO+ MSO + Firearms Competency Course


due to the decline in wages in this sector and reduced amount of work - almost not worth it.

  12th December 2015 at 1:46pm

MSO- STCW- FIRE ARMS. NO NEED FOR ANY OTHER WASTE OF MONEY.

  19th December 2015 at 1:30pm

Firearms? I still have reservations on this. Unless the delegate has limited firearms experience (an ex-Doorman for example), in which case I'd say these 1 week courses are nowhere near enough.

There is no industry standard to work from and content varies dramatically. How many courses actually offer firing from an elevated, moving, vibrating platform at a moving target??

  19th December 2015 at 3:06pm

I agree with you Ron, and in honesty id say firearms is essential for Ln's as you may have come across a few who's weapon handling is shocking too say the least. as for ex military may be no need, i have done some range packages where i have sucked eggs and a huge ammount, and then turned rounds into brass for no reason what so ever, i do beleive in skill fade, bu that does not happen in 12 months especially when you have hands on the weapon systems daily. 

  19th December 2015 at 3:33pm

You are right Gary, Skill fade does, and will happen. but for the vast majority of these 'Maritime' Firearms course the relevance is minimal. If they are simply giving out a certificate to say 'you are safe and competent to use a firearm' then you would have to question why we bother to conduct weapon handling tests and test fire on every ship. I would argue this is more current than your annual/bi-annual jolly in France that you have to pay for.

  4th January 2016 at 7:44pm

Are most of the weapons not different to the standard Army issue ones so should you not get some experience with a wider variety of weapons before you have to use them?

  4th January 2016 at 7:49pm

Each Company will have its own weapon systems, a lot use the old SLR, but most companies that run weapon courses will usually cover the most used out on the waters, 

  24th April 2016 at 8:34am

Hi Tom,

yes there are a variety of weapon systems out there which (mostly) vary from the issued type that many in the industry are used to. But, the firearms courses on offer will not guarantee that they cover all of these either. You can go to France, have a few days getting familiar with a particular weapons characteristics and configuration, but will you ever see this weapon system again, and has the training been delivered to the required standards?

I would argue that it can not be if there are no industry standards in force.

For me the correct procedure is to complete an induction with the employing company, on their weapon systems, and that WHTs and test fires are conducted on each voyage. I simply do not see the benefit of these courses in the given context.

  1st July 2018 at 3:04pm

Interesting

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Interesting.

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